First thing we do, Kill the Gays

The headline was – I cannot think of the word that can describe my disbelief that one fundamental Christian of this country, an elected official, has but one concern. Death to all who are not like him, macho, straight and Christian. There is no two out of three here. From the Huffington Post,

Andy Gipson, Mississippi Lawmaker, Won’t Apologize For Citing Bible Passage Calling For Gays’ Death.

Gipson was citing passages known as the “Clobber Verses,” six to nine passages depending on who is counting, selections from the Torah and Christian bibles that he believes is God’s call that homosexuality, that Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transgendered are somehow sinners because they have chosen this life against the wishes of God.

It is unfortunate that he is not the only extremist Christian who takes these specific passages as truth.

It is unfortunate that these same men and women take the rest of the biblical passages as optional.

Next week, a treatise concerning this very issue will be available as an e-document from, “Homosexuality and the Bible(s).” (Watch here for release date. Cost – $1.99)

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If one reads the entire story of Sodom and Gomorrah, Exodus 18 and 19, one will discover that the reason for the destruction of the two cities was not for their homosexual conduct, not for men wanting to have sex with men, but because the citizens of those communities had turned away from the God of Abraham.

When two Angles arrive at Lot’s home, the men from Sodom came to the home and demanded that the strangers be brought to so they could…

Now here is where the translation of the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek to German and eventually English becomes sticky.

The King James Bible says so “we may know them.” The Torah says to “get to know them” or to be “intimate with them,” depending on how the Hebrew has been translated. However, the more modern editions of the Christian Bible say “to have sex with them.”

The term used in Hebrew for “intimate” does not mean in a carnal way, but means to become acquainted.

In Ezekiel 16:46, the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah are spelled out. “This was the sin of your sister Sodom: pride, lots of bread, and the careless ease that she [Sodom] and her satellites [Gomorrah] had. She did not support the poor and those in need.” Nothing is mentioned concerning the sexual activities of these cities.

We do find in Exodus, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Deuteronomy, and other passages referring to Sodom and Gomorrah that the cities were destroyed mainly for their rejection of God for other deities; that God has no tolerance for not praying to Him. From Exodus 20:5,

“You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.”

We first hear about men having sex with men in Leviticus 18:22, “Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.” It is key to understand that man on man intercourse was not “sinful” but “detestable,” and there is a significant different in that language.

Detestable means to be scornful of, or ridicule of an act or person.

Sinful is breaking of one of the laws presented in religious writings. This is where the act has moved beyond a simple breaking of a rule, but itself has become wicked and dangerous, in this case, to God’s chosen people, the Israelites.

The other passage state senator Gipson is reported to have quoted is Romans 1:26-28,

“26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

“27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

“28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.”

It appears that the Christian-conservative, not all but enough, missed information that is found before and after this short segment.  First, we are told in the beginning of this Chapter that it concerns the Romans and not the Israelites, Jews or Christians.

Second, in 18:18, Paul tells the Romans who the sinners are and that the “wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness…” Again, Paul is speaking of the Romans, who did persecute the Christians during their formative years.

The four or five passages used in the Clobber Verses from the Bible (depending on whose reference used) include two letters from Paul to the Corinthians, two letters to Timothy and one letter to the Romans, as well as the writing of Jude. None proclaim to be quoting the word of Jesus, but retelling the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, while adding a few things as they wrote. Paul and Jude are using the stories as a form to control their followers and priests.

Here is where Christians who use these passages to dehumanize and demonize have a hard time with logic.

  • If the books of the Bible and Torah were inspired by God and,

    Christian Logic?

  • If God allows Man free will and,
  • If Man, because of free will and the need to justify, has a tendency to add or take away from stories to make those stories more creditable to the teller and the listener and,
  • Where we can show the multiple translations of the holy books from Hebrew and Aramaic, to Greek to Latin to German and then, maybe, to English do not agree then,
  • It is probable that Paul and Jude changed their stories in their letters to fit the times when they were written in order to achieve their end of gaining a following.

In fact, most probable. Unlike, as claimed by the Jews and Muslims, the Christian Bible is not copied from the original. There is no original.

Those following the orthodoxy of the western religions, believing that the Word is God and the holy books are the Word, are simply unable to respond to this logic statement. They will use their fall back of “God’s will and therefore God’s words,” change the subject or, in extreme cases, use name calling to end the discussion.

When the multitude of sects within Christianity, Islam and Judaism cannot agree to the interpretation of the passages in their holy books, how could the 12 Apostles. After all, they were only men.

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